NEWS - February 2005

Date Action
1st February 2005

The FLA agree the notes from our meeting, but not the summary which outlines where there is common ground and where Stand Up Sit Down and the FLA have different views. The FLA say that this seriously misrepresents their position, which we simply don't understand and have written back asking them to advise which statements they believe are incorrect.

1st February 2005

Man United supporters are given leaflets at Arsenal asking them to sit. They all stand throughout, showing yet again that the FLA 's measures are unlikely to succeed in stopping standing.

1st February 2005

Stand Up Sit Down receive information that the members of some safety authorities hope to extend the all seater ruling to all four English divisions.

2nd February 2005

1800th member joins Stand Up Sit Down.

3rd February 2005

150 supporters attend a meeting arranged by Norwich FC to discuss standing in the Barclay. The club say that they do not consider standing in the back six rows to be a safety hazard. Supporters vote overwhelmingly in favour of standing areas, and Chief Executive Neil Doncaster says the club will now pledge their support to pressure groups for standing.

4th February 2005

Man Utd supporters who were ejected for standing at Middlesbrough receive letters telling them that they will not be able to apply for future away game tickets. Because some supporters swapped seats, some who weren't even ejected get the banning letters. Supporters are taking legal advice.

5th February 2005

To prove that their standing isn't constant, Norwich fans in the Barclay agree to sit briefly so that a photo can be taken. During the West Brom game, to a chorus of ‘Sit Down for the Photograph' everyone sits for a few minutes.

7th February 2005

Leeds United announce that in order to determine whether those who persistently stand are season ticket holders or supporters who buy tickets for individual matches, the North East corner will be restricted to season ticket holders only for the Reading game on 12th February.

7th February 2005

Following Leeds ' announcement Stand Up Sit Down are interviewed on Real Radio covering South & West Yorkshire.

7th February 2005

Stand Up Sit Down receive a reply from Hammersmith & Fulham Council, following our letter asking whether they consider that the seats in the School End Upper Tier, from which it is necessary to stand in order to see goalmouth action, constitute a safety risk, and suggesting that if so, the pitch is moved forward two yards to improve the view. Our letter was backed up by quotes from 30 supporters of 7 different clubs. The letter was discussed at a recent meeting of the Safety Advisory Group, attended by the club, the council, the FLA and members of the emergency services.

The reply said ‘We agreed that the council would look closer at the matter during forthcoming match day visits to observe the safety implications of standing in the School Upper. Any action however will need to be balanced against what is reasonably practical to achieve, given the stand is over 25 years old.'

They don't explain why the age of the stand is relevant to moving the pitch forward to improve sightlines.

This is yet another example of the inconsistency related to standing. Four months after we first wrote to QPR with concrete evidence that supporters have to stand to see the goal, we are told that the ‘safety implications of standing' will be observed. Meanwhile, elsewhere supporters are being ejected and even banned for standing in gently sloping lower tiers.

8th February 2005 Stand Up Sit Down are told of a supporters meeting last November, at which Charlton Chairman Richard Murray said publicly that he would like to have safe terracing back and would immediately make the North Stand Lower such an area, should the legislation be changed.
9th February 2005

The SPL announce a clampdown on persistent standing, which causes an outcry from supporters. The resulting publicity causes many more Scottish fans to join Stand Up Sit Down.

9th February 2005

‘Free Lions' an FSF magazine distributed at the England v Holland match contains a pro standing article by Phil Gatenby urging supporters to join Stand Up Sit Down .

10th February 2005

Newcastle United send a full reply to our complaint about their stewards' treatment of one our members who was distributing leaflets at St James' Park. They say that they are sorry that our member felt intimidated and that the matter has been dealt with internally. The club also make some valid helpful comments which we will write back to acknowledge.

10th February 2005

Stand Up Sit Down are contacted by Millwall Supporters Trust who have agreed to give us their official backing after polling their members.

11th February 2005

A report published by 'The Efficiency In Government Unit' entitled 'The Essential Guide To British Quangos 2005' claims many quangos could be merged or abolished without anyone noticing any significant difference. Author Dan Lewis says many are a waste of resources and proposes a limit on quangos to be set up by any Government department. The report backs a statutory five year limit to the life of any such body with executive powers, after which it would have to justify it's existence. The report went on to list the nine most useless quangos - which included:

The British Potato Council, The Milk Development Council, The Wine Standards Board and The Football Licensing Authority.

11th February 2005

John De Quidt, the FLA Chief Executive returns the notes from our meeting, saying he has spent the best part of 1½ days revising them to reflect the FLA 's position on the various issues. Stand Up Sit Down acknowledge this, saying we are grateful for the time he has spent, and that we will respond in more detail shortly.

The dossier we presented to the FLA can now be seen on the Campaign section of this website.

13th February 2005

20,000 yellow card leaflets are distributed at the Manchester derby, and held up before kick off in support of standing areas.

13th February 2005

Sheffield United give out leaflets to supporters at their game with West Ham, asking supporters to sit, saying that persistent standing disrupts views, compromises safety and may lead to capacity or away allocation cuts.

14th February 2005

Stand Up Sit Down write to Sheffield United, asking why West Ham supporters were allocated the steep upper tier of the Gordon Lamb Stand, when the much more gently sloping lower tier was left empty. We question why, in the light of the letter given to supporters at the match, West Ham fans, who could have been expected to stand for at least moments of excitement, were not allocated the safest area.

16th February 2005

Paul Dews the UK sports journalist of the year writes a pro standing article in the Yorkshire Post, urging the FLA and Government to address the matter and advocating the return of choice for supporters.

17th February 2005

Stand Up Sit Down return the meeting notes to the FLA , with a few modifications. These mainly relate to misunderstandings, such as our assumption that the FLA accepted that a significant number of supporters wish to stand. These notes will form an important reference document on the two party's positions and we hope they will be fully agreed by both sides shortly.

17th February 2005

The Football Supporters Party completes its manifesto, the first item being a return to standing in the UK , and mentioning support for Stand Up Sit Down . Full details of the new party can be seen on www. footballsupportersparty.co.uk .

18th February 2005

2000th member joins Stand Up Sit Down .

18th February 2005

Stand Up Sit Down obtain figures of injuries related to passengers standing on London 's buses. These show an average of two fatalities, 71 serious and 717 injuries per year from 2001 to 2003. The FLA say they do not have casualty figures relating to standing at football, but clearly they are a fraction of those occurring on buses. Stand Up Sit Down write to various bodies highlighting the inconsistency of the clampdown on standing at football when there are far greater risks in other activities.

21st February 2005

Spurs supporters in the South Stand receive letters warning that if supporters continue to persistently stand, they may be banned and parts of White Hart Lane may be closed.

22nd February 2005

The FLA return the notes from our meeting with a few further modifications. This confirms that the FLA do not agree with our view that a significant number of supporters wish to stand

22nd February 2005

Stand Up Sit Down receive a reply from Sheffield United's Safety Officer explaining that the decision to allocate West Ham supporters the upper tier was based an individual risk assessment and that a number of issues including segregation and Police opinion are a factor in making this decision.

We write back pointing out that Sheffield Utd always appear to allocate the upper tier, even to clubs with no history of disorder. We ask if this means that they consider that the safety risk from persistent standing and goal celebrations in the upper tier is less than the risk from disorder, and hence very small. Furthermore if the risk is small in the upper tier it must be negligible in the lower, which is an area we would suggest should be designated for standing.

23rd February 2005

Reading Council reply to our email with regard to this summer's Elton John concert at the Madjeski Stadium. They say that the event organisers have agreed to provide seating for all 25000 attendees who will be required to use them. Licensing Officers as well as Health & Safety officers will attend the event to ensure that the conditions attached to both the public entertainment licence and the amendment to the general safety certificate are complied with.

24th February 2005

Tottenham Supporters Trust contact Stand Up Sit Down saying that they would encourage dialogue to be opened about creating an area for standing not only within White Hart Lane, but at all Premiership grounds and giving their support in principal to our campaign.

25th February 2005

Stand Up Sit Down return to the FLA what we hope will be the final draft of the notes from our meeting. Once agreed these will be posted on this site.

26th February 2005

Stand Up Sit Down receive a further reply from Sheffield United's Safety Officer. He says that he is unwilling to get involved in any debate about the rights, wrongs, justifications for standing of supporters groups, but that he considers that standing in seated areas is hugely risky. He reiterates that each fixture is assessed on its own merits, and that whilst at many fixtures away supporters have been allocated the upper tier, due consideration is nevertheless given to all aspects of safety. He adds that in the event that the lower section is considered a safer deployment this would be used.

Stand Up Sit Down reply, thanking him for his help, and pointing out that supporters may find it hard to understand that whilst at other grounds threats have been made to close lower tiers due to the safety risk said to be caused by standing, Sheffield United's assessments lead them to put away supporters in a steep upper tier leaving the lower empty.

 

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